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This is why the divine hiddenness problem is so underrated, and why it's not just a facet of the problem of evil, but also a distinct argument with independent force. Any general explanation of divine hiddenness necessarily reduces the force of every theistic argument (except maybe for ones made on purely a priori grounds, but those are all pretty terrible anyway), since they make the phenomena appealed to by theistic arguments unexpected on theism - we should expect God to instead hide those phenomena just like he does with all the other evidence for his existence. The theist is free to claim that these phenomena still provide some evidence for theism, since even if divine hiddenness renders them less expected, they would be less likely still on atheism, but an honest theist has to admit that divine hiddenness reduces their force. The only way around this would be if theists had an explanation for divine hiddenness that wasn't fully general - i.e., not just a claim about how much total evidence God would allow, but an explanation that only implies that certain kinds of evidence would be lacking. Such an explanation would have to predict that the specific phenomena that theists point to as arguments for God (in this case, a small collection of Catholic miracles) would still be allowed, while all the other potential ways God could reveal himself would be disallowed.

I also think theists who use, "God doesn't want the evidence for his existence to be too strong," as an explanation for the lack of evidence, and especially as a patch for holes in their own arguments (like the imperfect preservation of the Lanciano relic) don't realize how incredibly silly this looks from the outside. I see no difference between this explanation and a conspiracy theorist dismissing any counterevidence as just part of the conspiracy, or a creationist dismissing evidence for evolution as actually being planted by Satan (indeed, this example is isomorphic to the dismissal of non-Catholic miracles by claiming they were performed by demons). If you add to your hypothesis an auxiliary claim that allows you to dismiss any counterevidence or any weaknesses in the evidence as actually being expected, then your hypothesis immediately loses all predictive power, and therefore all evidence in its favor (it's a simple theorem of probability theory that if no observation would be evidence against your hypothesis, no observation can be evidence for it either).

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Good work.

I have some thoughts on Ethan’s methodology regarding miracles, and intend to gather them in a response when he publishes his promised article on it. To my mind, there is a fatal flaw in it even before any considerations about specific miracle cases get off the ground, and even if we grant that all of his miracle cases are factual. In this aspect our approaches to Ethan’s work are strikingly similar.

Preview: Ethan wants me to believe that Catholicism is true based on some historically far-removed anomalous physical phenomena at Fatima. This would include believing, based on these far-removed anomalous physical phenomena, that I and all my relatives will be plausibly eternally tortured in fire unless we convert. IMO, that is a ridiculous epistemic demand in comparison with the evidence provided, and this incredulity touches only the incomparable weight of the evidence relative to the assertion, and not also any priors. As far as priors are considered, Ethan’s case becomes even more implausible. Any moral realist not already wedded to eternal conscious torment, for example, will almost certainly find it to be moral nonsense (and thus impossible given a morally perfect God in whom Ethan believes) with such conviction that Ethan’s case does not even begin to scratch the surface of overcoming these priors (I am saying this as a strong moral realist myself). There are many other philosophical, moral and historical objections to Catholicism, and the list goes on.

Ethan says that his case for Catholicism from miracles is so strong as to unilaterally defeat all of these other objections (for example, he says that the Problem of Evil as a whole is defeated by his miracle cases), but to my mind, that is a strikingly overconfident and baseless assertion which overvalues Ethan’s case to the utmost degree.

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